Tuesday Talk: Jeffrey Manton on Titles...
no, not book titles, Nobility Titles in Historical Fiction...
Titles are a minefield. Hidden from many and yet ready to
explode for those in the know. Does it matter if you get them wrong? Well, no,
not really - and my saying goes something like this: ‘Those who matter don’t care, and those who care don’t matter.’ Only
it does matter in Historical Fiction. Really it does. I read book after book,
so painstakingly researched, and such evident labours of utter love by the writer,
and then they wade in and get all the titles wrong. Now look, what’s the point
of getting that illness of 1856 right, or the wicked sister who stole a country
- in that gown of pale blue satin recorded in Prince Whatever’s diary - and yet
get the titles all wrong?
'Arise... sir...um, baron.. earl...viscount... oh damn it, Galahad, just get up!" |
I hear you yell at me: ‘you
trainspotter!’ - but if you’re seriously writing to make a reader live and
breathe the period then rank mattered.
And you’re not in period if you don’t
care.
Now, in all fairness, most of the howlers are post 1700s
Britain because that’s the basis of everything we know today. If you are
working in the Elizabethan period then just about any gentle-born woman would
be ‘my lady’ and the King was often addressed as ‘Your Grace’. You have more
leeway way back then. But if you’re doing anything from Jane Austen onwards
then it matters. So, I’ll start with the prevalent mistakes and come on to
foreign ranks...
Lords and Ladies |
The ubiquitous
howler - the wife of a baronet or knight (Sir John Smith Bt. or Sir John Smith)
is not Lady Jane Smith. She is Lady Smith. Again and again this mistake is
made. She will be addressed as ‘my lady.’ Their children will not have titles
but the boys will be John Smith Esq. Oh...and knights don’t pass titles to sons
but baronets do.
I know it’s a minefield.
Keep up.
Lady Jane Smith
will be the daughter of a Duke or an Earl - and when she marries Mr John Jones
she will be Lady Jane Jones with the curious anomaly that a married woman is
always Mrs John Jones while her ladyship keeps her first name - and is not Lady
John Jones. And just for fun...if Lady
Smith’s husband is elevated from a knight to a peer she becomes The Lady Smith although her husband is
now Lord Smith, Baron of London.
Keeping up are we?
Next howler - remember the
family name. The Earl of London’s daughter is not Lady Jane London but Lady
Jane Smith because the original family name is Smith. Why? Mr Smith gets a
title of Earl of London but his family name stays the same. They are the Smith
family and may gather any number of titles within that family. The younger sons
of Dukes and Earls will be Lord John Smith but usually the eldest has some
additional title hanging around so he will be Viscount Whatever and his
children will be The Hon. John Smith or the Hon. Jane Smith.
Dear Reader...can you imagine the errors for a young hostess
or those new to the system? And that’s the point, of course. Don’t know what to
call them? Get the invitation card wrong? Then you’re not one of us, darling.
The Hon. This is a
howler zone as well. It’s one of those strange titles bandied around and quite
ubiquitous now that the British House of Lords is stuffed full with Barons and
Baronesses whose children are all The Hon. It’s really only used on visiting
cards or envelopes and it’s not quite done to introduce them as ‘The Hon. John
Smith’ but you can give it a try.
We also string all our titles together to show how we rank.
So, The Hon. Jane Smith marries Lord Bradley and becomes The Hon. Lady Bradley.
It’s the same sort of one-upmanship (or Queen-manship) as the widow of King
George used (him of the King's Speech) when her daughter became Queen. Not to
be outdone ‘Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth’ became ‘Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth
The Queen Mother’ thus getting Queen twice in her title - while Her Majesty was
merely Her Majesty The Queen. It depends how you look at it, of course.
While we’re here at the top of the pecking order - the
precedence goes something like this: Royal Duke, Duke, Marquess, Earl,
Viscount, Baron, Baronet, Knight. This article won’t go into the order of
decorations such as Orders of the British Empire but if you are arranging a procession
in order of rank (and in all Victorian and Edwardian households you absolutely
went into dinner by rank) - then somebody with a decoration would precede
somebody without. Best not to go there for now methinks - but you can imagine a
scene where the young hostess is puzzling this all out or makes a faux-pas and
is sniggered at by her elders. Actually, come to think of it, I was sniggered
at...another story.
The Countess Howler
–The Earl and Countess of London will be addressed as such on invitations, and
announced as such when they enter a room, but an equal won’t call The Countess
of London ‘Countess’ - she will be Lady London. Or plain Jane to her friends. And when the Earl dies she becomes ‘Jane,
Countess of London’ is addressed as ‘Lady London.’
Are you still with me?
There’s more of course. It gets
better with Scottish and Irish titles which can pass down the line in different
ways – and the European system is for another article. There are so many areas
of complication – the various German princes (some Royal and some not, some
Serene Highnesses and some not) and the enormously grand Spanish system where a
woman often inherits the title when there isn’t a son (seldom allowed in
Britain) and a plain Grandee will outrank the highest Duque if he isn’t a
Grandee to boot.
He usually is, though.
We debate back and forth on the depth of research in
Historical Fiction and how much in period we ought to be. It’s a balance to
keep a modern reader with you. But if you want the reader to ‘be there’ – well,
rank and precedence were an integral part of life, day in and day out.
There are several guides. Or feel free to email me. I won’t
always be right. There will be better guides than me. But I may be able to
steer your young hostess.
Jeffrey
Manton
Jeffrey
reads and critiques novels and scripts with a speciality in the lives of King
George VI and Queen Elizabeth and the Duchess of Windsor. He was tutored by
Orange Prize nominee Liz Jenson at the Arvon Creative Writing Foundation and
mentored by Pulitzer Prize runner-up Dick Vaughan and
Booker long-listed John Murray.
He worked and
lived in Paris, Madrid, New York, Dallas and Boston and ghost-wrote articles
for newspapers and periodicals that included the Financial Times, the Boston
Globe, El Pais and Le Figaro.
A
member of The Author’s Society and The Historical Novel Society, Jeffrey is an
avid Facebook chatterer with writing groups, and a regular reviewer on Amazon, Goodreads and is a reviewer for the Historical Novel Society Indie Reviews.
He can be contacted on Jeffrey.Manton AT rspartners DOT co.uk JeffreyManton@rspartners.co.uk
Helen:
Jeffrey, a most informative and interesting (if confusing!) article. Thank you sir... er.... mate. :-)
Jeffrey, a most informative and interesting (if confusing!) article. Thank you sir... er.... mate. :-)
Yikes! Remind me never to set anything in the 1700s or later unless I have no titled characters. Fun to read, though.
ReplyDeleteI had exactly the same thought Loretta! :-)
DeleteI'm so glad I've been writing early 5th Century! The latest era I have in draft is 11th Century. If I was hostess I would certainly do some serious homework before the guests arrived!
ReplyDeleteMind you, as we reach the 11th do we go for Jarl or Earl or.... LOL
DeleteIt's all tribal really. I'll wager in any era that somebody, somewhere, made a point of how they were addressed...Jeffrey M
ReplyDeleteLOL I wonder how many HF authors reading this will now add dialogue from a character saying "Ahem, I am Lady xxx, not Lady xxxx" :-D
DeleteI'll have to stick to the peasants. This is a delightful post.
ReplyDeleteThanks Petrea - I can see there will be a lot more peasants in our novels from here on!
DeleteQuestion for Jeffrey, something I can never remember, despite seeing movies such as The Queen and The King's Speech... do we address Her Majesty as Marm as in Farm, or Mam as in ham? (Not that I am ever likely to actually need to know! I can't see Liz suddenly appearing down our mile-long lane that leads nowhere except to our house & out neighbour's!
ReplyDeleteIt is 'Ma'am' as in 'Ham.' You never know who will turn up in your lane...just in case. You start with 'Good Morning, Your Majesty' and after that address her as 'Ma'am.' It works the same as with Royal Prince and Princesses - 'Your Royal Highness' on introduction and then 'Sir' or 'Ma'am.' Oh, and men give a curt bow from the neck, not the waist. Another howler...if it matters...that is. Jeffrey
ReplyDeleteThank you Jeffrey!
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